Biggest Guns + battleship-sized plate.
I think it's great that the Harbi can fit either of them and it's fine that it cannot fit both. Go with a 800 mm plate if you want to go full dps and everything should fit perfectly.
I know, "Compromise" isn't an Amarrian word, but sometimes you just have to do it for better game balance.

I have BC V and good drone skills, so this doesn't effect me, but where does a new Amarr pilot who specializes in drones (with a side dish of Missiles) go after the Prophecy?

T2 LSE has 2625 shield bonus base. T2 800m plate has 2103 armor bonus base. T2 1600m plate has 4200 armor bonus base.

Read -> Math -> Post

Oh and, hey, it's only losing a 10% of it's hp, who cares? 'Great' change.

I'm not saying the 800m plate compares to the LSE, I'm just pointing out the inadequacy of Jorma's oversimplification.

So yes, shield tanking is very different from armor tanking; lets leave it at that and move on from this module to module comparison.

If they gave Gallente ships shield tanking bonuses I would gladly take that up. I already shield tank my Talos, my Ishtar, my Lachesis and my Eris.

Also, I'm primarily a Caldari pilot.

I'm getting more and more concerned on racial weapon types. Till the recent rebalances projectiles had been the primary platform for the minmatar, torches for the amarr, so on. Since the last rebalance it seems that all races are dual weapon platforms. So far it was usually enough to train up the given race's primary weapon platform, but since the last rebalance, it's hardly can be called enough for flying the race.

Remind me of all our glorious missile combat ships.
You say nemesis?
I say Myrm and projectile turrets. Ofc with shields being used, it's rather the 3th minmatar Combat BC: the drone one with projectiles, the other two being missiles with projectiles and projectiles with even more projectiles. See, minnies still use predominantly projectiles.

HMs on a drake with tech II ammo is about mid 40s, javelin torps are about 35km give or take.

HM CN: 63 (damage delay of ~10 seconds...)
HM Rage 47

I agree the BC's needed an overhaul, but it wasnt the ones they are nerfing that needed the overhauls it was the others that needed buffs.

Balance ships, not slot numbers.

Here is the progress chart:

Merlin : 4 mid slots
Moa: 5 mids slots
Ferox: 5 mid slots
Rokh: 6 mid slots

Compared to say Amarr:

Punisher: 4 low slots
Maller: 6 low slots
Prophecy: 7 low slots
Abaddon: 7 low slots

I'll put my money on a Active Armor Tanking implant set. Do I win a prize?

There better be a Shield EHP implant set at the same time. We all want 1 million EHP Command ships you know :)

Well, lets see, there is the million EHP Damnation - entirely passive tank, compared to the Vulture which has to overload its hardeners to reach at best, 400,000 EHP.

Given the way the shield recharge works - it only hits peak recharge around 25%, and only offers about say, a 100-150 at most in terms of actual hp back a second, then yeah, of course, 600,000 EHP less and a far larger signature is a bonus for us! lol

Lets not even talk about the difference for Titan's overall EHP when it comes to shields, where the numbers are even more painful for shield pilots.

170 ms on the Damnation, 175 ms on the Vulture. I reckon that 5 ms might swing in the Vultures favour instead of the extra EHP

I just love the tears when the math doesn't lie

Why would I compare the Vulture to a T1 Battlecruiser? Besides the Prophecy would win. It would cap drain the Vulture, kill the hardeners and guns, web it, scram it, and laugh as the drones swarmed around it. But the Vulture is hardly on the field to do damage or fill that role.

And the relevance of that is...?

What a joke. Soon a frig will do more damage than a BC. All this nerfing makes me sick. I do not pay my subscription for this crap. I want to play without having to buy Plex in addition to the subscription and all you seem to be doing is to ensure that people can't make enough isk so that they have to buy Plex. I am disgusted.

Please focus on expanding the game instead of these stupid configuration changes that **** people off.

Of course it's so easy to change a few parameters rather than design and develop new features. Let me guess all developers are busy with something else. This work doesn't need developers.

And, yes I do expect this post to be deleted like many of my previous ones including the likes received. A bit inconvenient right?

Ubat X X X

And that 65 more damage is 23 dps but 100+ dps for harbinger.

Welcome to my, the hybrid turret user's, world. The ships I fly have always been screwed by this feature. I pretty much have to disengage whenever coming up against a T2 Caldari/Gallente hull. Sucks, doesn't it?

Lasers: EM - Sucks to shoot T2 Minmatar Ships (They tank EM, Therm). Otherwise it's all good.

That would hurt Ships like the geddon or maller to much. Thats why i said instead that amarr ships with cap useage boni should get a reduction in the damage boni and get a tracking boni + more standard cap. The reduction in Damage should make up for the boni in delivery.